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Power increase, for cheap!!!

HI there,
Many owners of any car do not realize just how lousy todays fuels are.
Fact is, the formulations by most fuel manufacturers barely meet EPA guidelines for keeping injectors and intake valves and combustion chamers clean.

The first thing that an owner can do is to...

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#20

By ChuckG on 10-25-2008, 08:42 am

Has anyone considered this: Top Tier may be a proprietary standard. Maybe it's one owned by GM and for which vendors must pay for certification, much like "Windows Certified".

I've never heard that this was a certification from withing the petroleum industry.

What I mean is that other gasoline vendors may have products every bit as good and with detergents every bit as effective, but they simply haven't paid to have their products Top Tier certified.

Ford even puts an ad 'recommending' BP fuels on their gas caps. Does this mean Fords run better on BP than Chevron? I doubt it. More likely, BP simply paid Ford.

I personally run BP or Mobil with no ill effects. I ran Shell, the only Top Tier available here in Michigan, but their stations are hard to find and they do business with Iran.

#21

By vettespur on 12-24-2009, 02:54 pm

Up here in Canada anyone that cares about there performance car or Hotrod uses Sunoco Ultra 94.

Best fuel available at the pumps

Works well for the extra few pennies per gallon.

#22

By JBsZ06 Posting Award

on 12-25-2009, 08:09 am

Sunoco stopped ultra 94 up here and since it wasn't tier one grade (screws up fuel sending units on some cars etc) I now try and use shell gas..

Shell credit card knocks 5 percent off the price of every gallon on each months bill sent so what the hell..

Shell it is! Sunoco 94 was a cool way to go.. Your lucky you still have it available..

Happy holidays

JB

#23

By man00dude on 03-22-2010, 11:51 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChuckG

I have to agree here: Citgo is State-owned by Venezuela. Hugo Chavez has caused so much grief that 7/11 is dropping the brand.

I really think we should all avoid their products. Hate us if you like, but don't expect me to give you my money too.

PS My local Autozone ran a $3.99 special recently on the smaller bottle of Techron. I bought a case and figure I can save a buck using 1 3/4 bottles vs. paying $10 for the larger bottle. Seems petty, but I'm done throwing money to the oil companies any more than absolutely necessary, just on principle.

Will agree on this one.

#24

By DP77/00Vette on 04-11-2010, 09:27 pm

I just discussed this with my mechanic. I have been using Amoco/BP in my two Vettes but have noticed my 2000's mileage has gone down about 3 to 4 mpg in the past 6 to 9 months. He suggested to use Texaco that doesn't have ethanol. Plus it has Techron in it. What does everyone think? Is Texaco, Chevron?

#25

By c4c5specialist on 04-12-2010, 04:06 am

Texaco is top tier certified for a higher level of detergency.

Allthebest, c4c5

#26

By NORTY on 05-21-2010, 12:22 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by c4c5specialist

HI there,
The fact is that the fuels formulated by the EPA are very poor.
They do not have as much detergency, nor do they provide as much power as the fuels of just even 5 years ago because of the addition of ethanol.
If you are using a Techron additive, you are compensating for the detergency that NEEDS to be in fuels.
Allthebest, c4c5

Let me clarify, Paul.
The EPA sets regulations for various specifications. They then leave it up to the private sector to come up with ways to comply with those regulations.
With regard to gasoline (or diesel for that matter,) the oil companies try to make the product as quickly and cheaply as possible.
If gas station "A" where selling gas for X, and gas station "B" were selling better quality gas for 2X, gas station "B" would be out of business in a heartbeat. Even if proven that the gas in "B" got you twice the mileage, burned completely & got you a date w/ Sandra Bullock!
Well, ok, maybe not the date, but you get my point!

Since 100% gasoline doesn't comply with the EPA regs, the oil co's must add things to comply (or face HEAVY fines.)
Remember when they added MTBE? It worked for the gas, but ruined or groundwater aquifers! Santa Monica is still importing 100% or their water because of this! That, and the exhaust was heavy in formaldehyde. Smog tests don't check for formaldehyde, so it passed.

Now, the oil co's are using ethanol (ethyl alcohol) to add oxygen to the fuel. This makes jetting leaner since you're adding oxygen in the liquid side for carburation tuning purposes. Since our engines don't specifically run on oxygen, we get 90% gasoline and 10% oxygen that is then mixed with air for our intake charge. Since we get less energy/heat from ethanol (Btu's) than we do gasoline, we get less power from ethanol blended fuels. This is why our mileage goes down with the use of "oxygenated" fuels.
All the States/ Fed love it because we buy more fuel to get around. They collect excise taxes on each drop of fuel we buy. It's like a hidden tax increase that you never know about...

#27

By NORTY on 05-21-2010, 12:31 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by DP77/00Vette

See my above post regarding why your mileage has dropped. Also, Chevron and Texaco have been married for a few years.
Shell was married to Texaco about a dozen years ago, then they divorced, then Texaco took up with Chevron.
When Shell was with Texaco, the Compny name was "Equilon."

For "upstream products'" Shell is married to Mobil, and their name is "Moteva."

[canadianaccent]Kinda funny, eh?[/canadianaccent]

#28

By ChuckG on 05-22-2010, 03:15 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by NORTY

Now, the oil co's are using ethanol (ethyl alcohol) to add oxygen to the fuel. This makes jetting leaner since you're adding oxygen in the liquid side for carburation tuning purposes. Since our engines don't specifically run on oxygen, we get 90% gasoline and 10% oxygen that is then mixed with air for our intake charge. Since we get less energy/heat from ethanol (Btu's) than we do gasoline, we get less power from ethanol blended fuels. This is why our mileage goes down with the use of "oxygenated" fuels.
All the States/ Fed love it because we buy more fuel to get around. They collect excise taxes on each drop of fuel we buy. It's like a hidden tax increase that you never know about...

Keep in mind: it also makes the corn lobby VERY happy when we're forced to buy their heavily-subsidized (by us!) corn squeezins'. Dontcha just love buying 9/10 a gallon for full price--after you paid for the ethanol already in your tax dollars??

My state (Michigan--home of the tax and spend and all its resulting goodness) collects all sorts of road taxes AND sales tax. Gas hits $5 a gallon their eyes roll back in their heads from all the new sales tax collected.

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